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Hans Marfan Offline

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06.09.2019 19:16
Palermo 1950 - Pro Long Antworten

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frank miele Offline

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06.09.2019 21:46
#2 RE: Palermo 1950 - Pro Long Antworten

hallo liebe rennfahrer

ich will mich für mein frühes ausscheiden entschuldigen
ich habe etliche trainingsstunden hier verbracht
es war eine neue tolle strecke die ich durch euch kennen gelernt habe
es gibt viele stellen wo man ausscheiden kann
aber den bremspunkt auf der zielgraden zu verpassen
ist schon dämlich und peinlich
bis in pau
bye miele

Claudio Callipo Offline

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06.09.2019 22:10
#3 RE: Palermo 1950 - Pro Long Antworten



Mit sportlichem Gruss
Claudio
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Hans Marfan Offline

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06.09.2019 22:19
#4 RE: Palermo 1950 - Pro Long Antworten

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Track: Palermo             Fri Sep 06 22:07:40 2019
 
PRACTICE TIMES
 
Pos No Driver Team Nat Time Diff Laps
1 8 Robert Fleurke BRM HOL 1m56.417s 13
2 18 Tim Roedl Honda AUT 1m56.870s 00.453s 20
3 13 Claudio Callipo Ferrari ITA 1m57.168s 00.751s 17
4 20 Kelvin Mace BRM USA 1m57.213s 00.796s 16
5 6 Killer Miele Lotus GER 1m57.265s 00.848s 5
6 9 Lasse Oetinger Honda GER 1m57.405s 00.988s 17
7 11 Mario Wilhelm BRM GER 1m59.600s 03.183s 15
8 12 Rainer Alpen Cooper GER 1m59.697s 03.280s 5
9 16 Hans Marfan Eagle GER 2m04.391s 07.974s 8
10 19 Albrecht Kleinfeld Lotus GER 2m05.000s 08.583s 7
11 15 Fabian Casula Eagle SUI 2m11.513s 15.096s 1
12 14 Sanjin Haler Cooper MON No time No time 0
13 4 Geli-60 Brabham GER No time No time 0
 
All times are official
Generated with GPL Replay Analyser
 

Track: Palermo Fri Sep 06 22:07:40 2019
 
RACE RESULTS (After 31 laps)
 
Pos No Driver Team Nat Laps Race Time Diff
1 8 Robert Fleurke BRM HOL 31 61m22.608s
2 18 Tim Roedl Honda AUT 31 61m52.080s 29.472s
3 20 Kelvin Mace BRM USA 31 62m05.312s 42.704s
4 11 Mario Wilhelm BRM GER 31 62m14.848s 52.240s
5 13 Claudio Callipo Ferrari ITA 23 45m59.847s 8 lap(s)
6 9 Lasse Oetinger Honda GER 23 46m03.441s 8 lap(s)
7 16 Hans Marfan Eagle GER 15 32m52.095s 16 lap(s)
8 19 Albrecht Kleinfeld Lotus GER 11 23m43.582s 20 lap(s)
9 6 Killer Miele Lotus GER 10 20m26.082s 21 lap(s)
10 15 Fabian Casula Eagle SUI 9 19m52.983s 22 lap(s)
11 12 Rainer Alpen Cooper GER 5 10m25.173s 26 lap(s)
12 14 Sanjin Haler Cooper MON 0 0m00.000s 31 lap(s)
13 4 Geli-60 Brabham GER 0 DidNotStart 31 lap(s)
 

Race results are unofficial
(Replay might have been saved before end of race)
 
RACE FASTEST LAPS
 
Pos Driver Time Lap
1 Robert Fleurke 1m57.336s 28
2 Claudio Callipo 1m57.375s 22
3 Lasse Oetinger 1m57.576s 23
4 Mario Wilhelm 1m57.699s 30
5 Tim Roedl 1m57.880s 14
6 Kelvin Mace 1m58.308s 9
7 Killer Miele 1m59.363s 10
8 Rainer Alpen 2m00.586s 5
9 Hans Marfan 2m02.098s 15
10 Albrecht Kleinfeld 2m03.062s 10
11 Fabian Casula 2m04.598s 7
12 Geli-60 No time
13 Sanjin Haler No time
 

LEADERS
 
Driver Laps
Robert Fleurke 1-31
 
Number of lead changes: 0
Number of leaders: 1
 

LAPS LED
 
Driver Laps led
Robert Fleurke 31
 

HIGHEST CLIMBER
 
Driver Start Finish Change
Mario Wilhelm 7 4 3
Hans Marfan 9 7 2
Albrecht Kleinfeld 10 8 2
Fabian Casula 11 10 1
Kelvin Mace 4 3 1
Geli-60 13 13 0
Sanjin Haler 12 12 0
Tim Roedl 2 2 0
Lasse Oetinger 6 6 0
Robert Fleurke 1 1 0
Claudio Callipo 3 5 -2
Rainer Alpen 8 11 -3
Killer Miele 5 9 -4
 

ON TRACK LAPS
 
Driver Laps/Total Percent
Robert Fleurke (31/31) 100.00
Tim Roedl (30/31) 96.77
Mario Wilhelm (30/31) 96.77
Kelvin Mace (30/31) 96.77
Lasse Oetinger (22/23) 95.65
Claudio Callipo (21/23) 91.30
Hans Marfan (11/15) 73.33
Killer Miele (10/10) 100.00
Fabian Casula (8/9) 88.89
Albrecht Kleinfeld (8/11) 72.73
Rainer Alpen (5/5) 100.00
 

RACE LAPTIME CONSISTENCY
(first lap excluded)
 
Driver Avg Deviation Std Deviation Avg Laptime Laps
Robert Fleurke 0.560 0.705 1m58.554s 31
Killer Miele 0.844 1.022 2m01.229s 10
Tim Roedl 0.916 1.304 1m59.430s 31
Rainer Alpen 1.010 1.167 2m02.049s 5
Kelvin Mace 1.119 1.492 1m59.688s 31
Lasse Oetinger 1.175 1.725 1m59.660s 23
Mario Wilhelm 1.438 1.988 2m00.033s 31
Claudio Callipo 1.530 2.320 1m59.523s 23
Fabian Casula 1.737 2.296 2m07.711s 9
Albrecht Kleinfeld 3.649 4.321 2m08.412s 11
Hans Marfan 8.171 12.981 2m10.566s 15
 

All times are unofficial
(Replay might have been saved before end of race)
 

Robert Fleurke Offline

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06.09.2019 22:57
#5 RE: Palermo 1950 - Pro Long Antworten

Build up quali, and in my final 2 laps went sub57, with a nice Pole in the end! It was very exciting with many close times, some great driving going on!

Start wasn't the best, with a very short 1st gear, getting too much wheelspin. Tim was alongside, but knew when I held the outside, the next corner would be mine. Tim had some probs first laps, because I already had a 3-4s gap after a few laps. From then on it was basically managing the race and not making (big) mistakes. Got lucky when Fabian flew through the air in front of me, and had to avoid some cars that had incidents.

But all in all quite happy with my race, it wasn't as easy as it looked though. It never is at such a difficult track. Running alone sometimes I have lapses losing concentration, but others had way more problems it seemed...

Congratulations to Tim, Kelvin and Willi! To finish this race is already a great achievement. Not sure what happened with Loepi and Claudio. Commiserations to all DNFs, and thanks all for racing. Joining GELI is the best thing I did considering racing GPL! You guys rock!

tim Offline

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07.09.2019 11:09
#6 RE: Palermo 1950 - Pro Long Antworten

Doing a fast lap is one thing, performing that pace over a GP distance is another.
I´m very happy to reach the podium after quite a long time here at GELI.

I had a quite well start, could set myself beside Robert, but had to be careful at turn 1 not to desturb the race for him and all. I also knew I never could challenge him, so I took this as easy as I could. My heart was beating and I didn´t want to make any mistake at all -just reach the checkered was the primal target. I orientated my driving at the guys behind. At the beginning I could pull away from Claudio and Lasse, but couldn´t find my rhythm. So both came closer and especially Claudio built up real pressure on me around lap 6. Unlucky he missed the brakepoint at turn 1 and pushed me into the barrier -not hard at all and I could go on. Claudio gave me in great Gentleman-style my lost room back and the possibility to find my rhythm again. From that moment on Lasse closed up to Claudio and these guys where busy with each other -I could find some air to breath and drive home P2. My only mistake was a spin without impact right after the first esses, which cost me maybe 2 seconds but nothing else. I´m quite sure I was lucky that Claudio and Lasse had their problems - I always expected pressure from you guys!

Gratulations to Robert, Kelvin and Willi -all on BRM!
Thanx to all of you for racing!
and thanx to all the people behind this great league!

Claudio Callipo Offline

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07.09.2019 11:49
#7 RE: Palermo 1950 - Pro Long Antworten

Ne sehr schwierige Strecke mit einem nicht so schönen Ende.
Ein großes Grats an die Ankommer. Hier das Ziel zu erreichen ist nicht so einfach.
Und nebenbei noch einen Weltrekord rauszuhauen erst recht nicht. Grats Robert!

Meine Quali war nicht so gut wie gedacht. Vor ein paar tagen schaffte ich ne 1:56,7. Aber in der Quali ging es nicht unter die 57er.
P3 war aber nicht schlecht und wollte einfach nur abwarten und sehen was so um mich herum passiert.
Start war gut und nach kurzer Zeit sah ich das Lasse einen sehr guten Start hatte und hinter mir auftauchte.
Am Anfang musste ich sehr viel Speed rausnehmen wegen den kalten Reifen und dem kurzem 1. Gang. Deswegen konnte Lasse ganz schön drücken.
Sobald die Reifen etwas temperatur hatten, konnten Tim und ich uns etwas absetzen und ich konnte auf Tim etwas mehr Druck aufbauen.
Aber hier ist das überholen nicht so einfach. Einmal konnte ich nicht effektiv bremsen, da Tim früher den Anker warf und drückte ihn in die Strohballen.
Natürlich fuhr ich nicht weiter und ließ ihn wieder vorbei. Ehrensache! Manche machen sowas nicht, musste ich schon mehrmals feststellen! SRY Tim!
In einer Runde konnte ich endlich auf Start/Ziel sehr nahe an ihn ran. Aber am Ende der Geraden standen in der Kurve ein Eagle und noch einer.
Ich verlor die Orientierung und stupste den Eagle etwas an. SRY dafür!
Dadurch war Tim weg und Lasse ging auch vorbei.

Danach einen sehr schönen Fight mit Lasse gehabt. Hat irre viel Spass gemacht, auch wenn es sehr Anstrengend war da ich nur Verschwommen und doppelt sah
Aber der Spass war größer!
Leider ging es in T1 etwas zu quer und die Strohballen hielten mich fest und wollten einfach nicht loslassen!

Mit P5 noch Glück gehabt.

Jetzt wieder zurück nach Europa, nach Pau. Auch nicht gerade einfach

Mit sportlichem Gruss
Claudio
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Albrecht Offline

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07.09.2019 12:01
#8 RE: Palermo 1950 - Pro Long Antworten

Zitat
für mein frühes ausscheiden entschuldigen

Ne Frank, das Verpassen von Bremspunkten ist keine Schande. Das ist bei mir schon fast die Regel und kommt sogar bei den Profis vor.

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Robert Fleurke Offline

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07.09.2019 13:45
#9 RE: Palermo 1950 - Pro Long Antworten

Well said Albrecht. We all make mistakes, it's only human. And I do consider Frank as one of the most solid drivers out there. Also he's a teammate in an other league, and a great friend of mine!

Auf geht's, Frank!

Hans Marfan Offline

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07.09.2019 13:46
#10 RE: Palermo 1950 - Pro Long Antworten

Zitat von Albrecht im Beitrag #8
Das ist bei mir schon fast die Regel...


Dito

Q to Rob&Tim: to which unholy demon exactly do I have to sacrifice a goat for this pace?

Cruo Offline

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07.09.2019 15:33
#11 RE: Palermo 1950 - Pro Long Antworten

Well summer brake leaved scars , but it ok to me. I have lots of hobies and i like them all, so gpl did suffer this time. But i enjoin sim free time.

I am maybe happy to end at start of race ,better than later. Cos this place is so hard. I didnt make a descent preparation and i pay it- first at quali than in race.

lets go .

i was stunned how did Tim drive that honda in quali. wow. wd

And Robert to. race and quali. was fun to watch.

always alien.

__________________________________________________
Sanjin Haler

tim Offline

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07.09.2019 21:25
#12 RE: Palermo 1950 - Pro Long Antworten

@Hans: vielleicht ist der demon hier die ideallinie zu finden. meist ganz aussen anfahren und das heck rumwerfen um den schwung nicht zu verlieren..speziell in engen kurven sollte das enorm helfen. aber das weist du eh!
Ich fuhr mit nem Wilke-Monaco-setup.
& thx Sanjin btw :)

Fabian Offline

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08.09.2019 11:04
#13 RE: Palermo 1950 - Pro Long Antworten

Zitat von Robert Fleurke im Beitrag #5
Got lucky when Fabian flew through the air in front of me, and had to avoid some cars that had incidents.

I spread my arms to make sure I flew over you.
I didn't want to hold you up and also I was so much slower that I feared I might surprise you by braking waaaay earlier then you would expect... thus I was distracted enough apparently to miss my point of reference: the haybale on the right. When I thought I saw "the" haybale, I had a hunch that I had missed "my" haybale and was starring at the next one. When I realized I was right it was too late ofc....
Stupid way to ruin the race.. ... but it saved me an evening suffering from seasickness...

***

Many showing great pace and skills that can really shine on a track like this! Grats.

***


btw sorry if I was a bit messy & chatty during quali. Special circumstances.. (I thought I was responsible for Kelvin's shunt)

***

off to Pau. Another track that's rather mercyless....

Loepi Offline

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08.09.2019 12:11
#14 RE: Palermo 1950 - Pro Long Antworten

This is what i would call a "Mickey Mouse Track"... It´s in parts too narrow and does not feel very realistic at all. Grip seems to be too high at some parts and too volatile at others. Maybe the GPL-engine is somewhat overstrained with that "banking". So i don´t like it and will not in the future, which means - my - funfactor driving here has been very low. Additional i had no time to do more than a dozen or so laps before qualifying which helped - finding some gears but doesn´t - finding any constancy.

Luckily i had some great fun @ hunting Mr. Callipo and would have been more pleased without that stupid ending.

I hope i´ll find some more laps at Pau because did´t drive there before also.

Robert Fleurke Offline

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08.09.2019 14:23
#15 RE: Palermo 1950 - Pro Long Antworten

@Hans Marfan In general I think I have more GPL experience than (most of) you. Maybe I'm just lucky being a training talent, even when I don't practise as much as I used to do. Also did a lot of research in GPL physics with my comeback in 2014. Cost me some years still to use rather practice than theory, for optimal grip. Always setting up for ideal hot pressures all around, if and when possible. (theory is 24psi fronts/26psi rears, practice and for my driving style 25psi all around). Often run the same suspension setups (and same diffs), and then finetuning camber and tirepressures (for optimal grip). And gearings for the track chanracteristic. Roll bars for balance, softer in general for slower tracks. Stiffer for faster tracks.

As far I can judge, Kelvin seems to be a setup master. Also some of you drive cleaner than me, considering shifting and lines.

My lines aren't still the best, but I can drive with good momentum, and generally have good exits. I'd say I can adapt well and make good use of different car characteristics. I have always tried to improve my weaker points (tight turns among other things), and to build on my stronger points (fast cornering, exiting). Switching to G25 wheel and pedals, and triple monitors in 2017 for better cockpit FOV also helped a lot.

@Fabian I will always try to avoid the cars in front, and will take safer margins when approaching braking points when slower cars are ahead. In the end we all make mistakes, but please do not worry about me being behind

IMO some have more potential than me, but you have also to be open for newer or other approaches.

Hoping this makes some sense

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