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Ferdi Offline

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03.02.2006 22:19
Test Salzburg76 Long Antworten


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Ferdi Offline

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04.02.2006 12:40
#2 RE: Test Salzburg76 Long Antworten

Track: Salz76 Fri Feb 03 22:00:38 2006

PRACTICE TIMES

Pos No Driver Team Nat Time Diff Laps
1 15 Mike Ziehbauer Lotus AUT 1m15.965s 24
2 8 Andreas Oder Eagle GER 1m16.117s 00.152s 4
3 16 Eberhard Mulack Brabham GER 1m16.728s 00.763s 26
4 3 Peter Schleifer Eagle GER 1m16.870s 00.905s 15
5 9 Oliver Hangschlitt Ferrari GER 1m17.863s 01.898s 19
6 14 Ferdinand Schulze BRM GER 1m18.312s 02.347s 14
7 17 Peter Schleifer Brabham GER No time No time 0
8 4 Geli Brabham GER No time No time 0

All times are official
Generated with GPL Replay Analyser


Track: Salz76 Fri Feb 03 22:00:38 2006

RACE RESULTS (After 45 laps)

Pos No Driver Team Nat Laps Race Time Diff Problem
1 16 Eberhard Mulack Brabham GER 45 58m08.697s
2 14 Ferdinand Schulze BRM GER 45 59m16.232s 1m07.535s
3 3 Peter Schleifer Eagle GER 40 52m26.242s 5 lap(s)
4 8 Andreas Oder Eagle GER 9 12m12.946s 36 lap(s)
5 15 Mike Ziehbauer Lotus AUT 2 3m20.284s 43 lap(s)
6 9 Oliver Hangschlitt Ferrari GER 1 1m28.562s 44 lap(s)
7 17 Peter Schleifer Brabham GER 0 DidNotStart 45 lap(s)
8 4 Geli Brabham GER 0 DidNotStart 45 lap(s)


Race results are unofficial
(Replay might have been saved before end of race)

RACE FASTEST LAPS

Pos Driver Time Lap
1 Eberhard Mulack 1m16.341s 45
2 Peter Schleifer 1m16.368s 37
3 Andreas Oder 1m17.481s 5
4 Ferdinand Schulze 1m17.849s 42
5 Oliver Hangschlitt 1m27.102s 1
6 Mike Ziehbauer 1m30.018s 1
7 Peter Schleifer No time
8 Geli No time


LEADERS

Driver Laps
Eberhard Mulack 1-45

Number of lead changes: 0
Number of leaders: 1


LAPS LED

Driver Laps led
Eberhard Mulack 45


HIGHEST CLIMBER

Driver Start Finish Change
Ferdinand Schulze 6 2 4
Eberhard Mulack 3 1 2
Peter Schleifer 4 3 1
Peter Schleifer 7 7 0
Geli 8 8 0
Oliver Hangschlitt 5 6 -1
Andreas Oder 2 4 -2
Mike Ziehbauer 1 5 -4


ON TRACK LAPS

Driver Laps/Total Percent
Eberhard Mulack (45/45) 100.00
Ferdinand Schulze (44/45) 97.78
Peter Schleifer (33/40) 82.50
Andreas Oder (6/9) 66.67
Oliver Hangschlitt (1/1) 100.00
Mike Ziehbauer (0/2) 0.00


RACE LAPTIME CONSISTENCY
(first lap excluded)

Driver Avg Deviation Std Deviation Avg Laptime Laps
Mike Ziehbauer 0.000 0.000 1m51.238s 2
Eberhard Mulack 0.329 0.476 1m17.383s 45
Ferdinand Schulze 0.788 1.385 1m18.756s 45
Peter Schleifer 1.440 3.423 1m18.464s 40
Andreas Oder 2.798 3.985 1m20.473s 9


All times are unofficial
(Replay might have been saved before end of race)

Generated with GPL Replay Analyser


Track: Salz76 Fri Feb 03 22:00:38 2006

Driver: Geli - Brabham

No practice laps

No race laps


Driver: Eberhard Mulack - Brabham

Practice laps
Lap 1: 1m19.339s
Lap 2: 2m12.955s [Off the track, Invalid lap]
Lap 3: 1m19.254s
Lap 4: 1m17.991s
Lap 5: 1m17.755s [Off the track]
Lap 6: 1m17.254s
Lap 7: 1m17.175s [Off the track]
Lap 8: 1m17.093s
Lap 9: 1m16.728s
Lap 10: 1m23.653s [Off the track]
Lap 11: 4m40.053s [Invalid lap]
Lap 12: 1m18.204s
Lap 13: 1m18.060s
Lap 14: 2m32.916s [Off the track, Invalid lap]
Lap 15: 1m19.194s
Lap 16: 1m18.470s
Lap 17: 1m18.215s
Lap 18: 1m18.119s
Lap 19: 1m17.967s
Lap 20: 1m17.398s
Lap 21: 1m17.811s
Lap 22: 1m17.817s
Lap 23: 1m17.295s
Lap 24: 1m17.628s
Lap 25: 1m17.057s
Lap 26: 1m20.403s [Off the track]

Race laps
Lap 0: 48.859s
Lap 1: 1m23.824s
Lap 2: 1m18.838s
Lap 3: 1m18.613s
Lap 4: 1m17.878s
Lap 5: 1m17.907s
Lap 6: 1m17.902s
Lap 7: 1m17.462s
Lap 8: 1m17.406s
Lap 9: 1m18.112s
Lap 10: 1m17.906s
Lap 11: 1m17.549s
Lap 12: 1m17.436s
Lap 13: 1m17.478s
Lap 14: 1m17.298s
Lap 15: 1m17.596s
Lap 16: 1m17.681s
Lap 17: 1m17.362s
Lap 18: 1m17.391s
Lap 19: 1m17.451s
Lap 20: 1m17.584s
Lap 21: 1m17.151s
Lap 22: 1m17.076s
Lap 23: 1m17.131s
Lap 24: 1m17.262s
Lap 25: 1m17.431s
Lap 26: 1m17.390s
Lap 27: 1m16.965s
Lap 28: 1m17.271s
Lap 29: 1m17.322s
Lap 30: 1m17.248s
Lap 31: 1m17.129s
Lap 32: 1m17.296s
Lap 33: 1m17.261s
Lap 34: 1m17.440s
Lap 35: 1m16.950s
Lap 36: 1m16.925s
Lap 37: 1m17.682s
Lap 38: 1m17.545s
Lap 39: 1m16.392s
Lap 40: 1m16.604s
Lap 41: 1m17.331s
Lap 42: 1m17.378s
Lap 43: 1m16.834s
Lap 44: 1m16.668s
Lap 45: 1m16.341s


Driver: Mike Ziehbauer - Lotus

Practice laps
Lap 1: 1m18.932s [Off the track, Unknown incident]
Lap 2: 1m20.464s
Lap 3: 1m16.598s
Lap 4: 1m21.856s [Off the track]
Lap 5: 1m16.736s
Lap 6: 1m15.965s [Off the track]
Lap 7: 4m06.427s [Off the track, Invalid lap]
Lap 8: 1m17.215s [Off the track]
Lap 9: 1m17.479s
Lap 10: 1m16.041s
Lap 11: 1m17.283s [Off the track]
Lap 12: 1m16.601s
Lap 13: 1m16.652s
Lap 14: 1m16.831s
Lap 15: 1m40.470s [Off the track]
Lap 16: 4m37.619s
Lap 17: 1m17.262s
Lap 18: 1m18.095s [Off the track]
Lap 19: 1m16.175s
Lap 20: 1m20.414s [Off the track]
Lap 21: 1m24.920s [Off the track]
Lap 22: 1m17.508s
Lap 23: 1m22.207s
Lap 24: 2m07.838s [Off the track, Invalid lap]

Race laps
Lap 0: 47.887s
Lap 1: 1m30.018s [Off the track]
Lap 2: 1m51.238s [Off the track]


Driver: Peter Schleifer - Brabham

No practice laps

No race laps


Driver: Oliver Hangschlitt - Ferrari

Practice laps
Lap 1: 1m24.399s [Off the track, Unknown incident]
Lap 2: 1m19.735s [Off the track]
Lap 3: 1m20.585s
Lap 4: 1m59.805s [Off the track, Invalid lap]
Lap 5: 1m49.307s [Off the track]
Lap 6: 1m33.469s [Off the track]
Lap 7: 1m19.973s
Lap 8: 1m27.458s [Off the track]
Lap 9: 1m19.406s
Lap 10: 1m19.216s
Lap 11: 1m18.705s
Lap 12: 1m36.384s [Off the track]
Lap 13: 3m47.782s [Off the track, Invalid lap]
Lap 14: 1m18.911s
Lap 15: 1m24.349s [Off the track]
Lap 16: 1m29.167s [Off the track]
Lap 17: 1m18.229s
Lap 18: 1m18.072s
Lap 19: 1m17.863s

Race laps
Lap 0: 50.319s
Lap 1: 1m27.102s


Driver: Peter Schleifer - Eagle

Practice laps
Lap 1: 1m08.746s [Off the track, Invalid lap, Unknown incident]
Lap 2: 1m35.867s
Lap 3: 1m22.825s
Lap 4: 1m21.255s
Lap 5: 1m19.667s
Lap 6: 1m19.330s [Off the track]
Lap 7: 1m19.479s [Off the track]
Lap 8: 1m19.549s [Off the track]
Lap 9: 15m13.824s [Off the track, Invalid lap]
Lap 10: 1m22.439s
Lap 11: 1m34.115s [Off the track]
Lap 12: 1m18.224s
Lap 13: 1m17.882s [Off the track]
Lap 14: 1m18.281s
Lap 15: 1m16.870s

Race laps
Lap 0: 50.008s
Lap 1: 1m24.963s
Lap 2: 1m19.565s
Lap 3: 1m18.678s
Lap 4: 1m18.230s
Lap 5: 1m18.965s
Lap 6: 1m18.173s
Lap 7: 1m23.335s [Off the track]
Lap 8: 1m19.940s
Lap 9: 1m18.115s
Lap 10: 1m17.207s
Lap 11: 1m17.601s
Lap 12: 1m17.919s
Lap 13: 1m17.922s
Lap 14: 1m17.801s
Lap 15: 1m17.904s
Lap 16: 1m18.368s
Lap 17: 1m17.441s
Lap 18: 1m17.350s
Lap 19: 1m16.991s
Lap 20: 1m17.326s [Off the track]
Lap 21: 1m16.850s
Lap 22: 1m17.730s
Lap 23: 1m18.161s
Lap 24: 1m17.713s
Lap 25: 1m17.103s [Off the track]
Lap 26: 1m17.145s
Lap 27: 1m17.423s
Lap 28: 1m38.413s [Off the track]
Lap 29: 1m18.149s
Lap 30: 1m18.152s [Off the track]
Lap 31: 1m17.825s
Lap 32: 1m17.230s [Off the track]
Lap 33: 1m18.169s [Off the track]
Lap 34: 1m18.052s
Lap 35: 1m16.841s
Lap 36: 1m17.232s
Lap 37: 1m16.368s
Lap 38: 1m17.373s
Lap 39: 1m17.927s
Lap 40: 1m17.443s


Driver: Ferdinand Schulze - BRM

Practice laps
Lap 1: 1m20.592s
Lap 2: 1m19.708s
Lap 3: 1m19.588s
Lap 4: 1m23.187s [Off the track]
Lap 5: 1m25.011s
Lap 6: 7m27.865s [Invalid lap]
Lap 7: 1m20.758s
Lap 8: 1m20.364s
Lap 9: 1m19.378s
Lap 10: 1m19.806s
Lap 11: 1m19.517s
Lap 12: 1m19.157s
Lap 13: 1m18.683s
Lap 14: 1m18.312s

Race laps
Lap 0: 50.888s
Lap 1: 1m28.906s
Lap 2: 1m21.166s
Lap 3: 1m19.894s
Lap 4: 1m19.145s
Lap 5: 1m18.685s
Lap 6: 1m24.678s [Off the track]
Lap 7: 1m19.209s
Lap 8: 1m18.613s
Lap 9: 1m20.434s
Lap 10: 1m18.632s
Lap 11: 1m18.578s
Lap 12: 1m18.515s
Lap 13: 1m18.546s
Lap 14: 1m18.684s
Lap 15: 1m18.169s
Lap 16: 1m18.009s
Lap 17: 1m18.857s
Lap 18: 1m18.637s
Lap 19: 1m18.368s
Lap 20: 1m18.325s
Lap 21: 1m18.360s
Lap 22: 1m18.552s
Lap 23: 1m18.063s
Lap 24: 1m17.885s
Lap 25: 1m17.888s
Lap 26: 1m17.971s
Lap 27: 1m18.110s
Lap 28: 1m17.980s
Lap 29: 1m18.180s
Lap 30: 1m18.076s
Lap 31: 1m18.600s
Lap 32: 1m18.160s
Lap 33: 1m17.933s
Lap 34: 1m18.070s
Lap 35: 1m18.100s
Lap 36: 1m24.038s
Lap 37: 1m18.320s
Lap 38: 1m18.203s
Lap 39: 1m18.016s
Lap 40: 1m18.308s
Lap 41: 1m18.721s
Lap 42: 1m17.849s
Lap 43: 1m18.089s
Lap 44: 1m18.714s
Lap 45: 1m17.967s


Driver: Andreas Oder - Eagle

Practice laps
Lap 1: 1m16.954s [Off the track, Unknown incident]
Lap 2: 5m13.678s [Off the track, Invalid lap]
Lap 3: 1m17.104s [Off the track]
Lap 4: 1m16.117s [Off the track]

Race laps
Lap 0: 48.350s
Lap 1: 1m29.666s [Off the track]
Lap 2: 1m20.225s
Lap 3: 1m19.634s [Off the track]
Lap 4: 1m18.187s
Lap 5: 1m17.481s
Lap 6: 1m17.906s
Lap 7: 1m18.212s
Lap 8: 1m30.415s [Off the track]
Lap 9: 1m21.729s


Generated with GPL Replay Analyser


Track: Salz76 Fri Feb 03 22:00:38 2006

LAP BY LAP RACE REPORT

Start of the race:
Geli fails to make the start.
Peter Schleifer fails to make the start.
Polesitter Mike Ziehbauer in a Lotus leads the field as the flag drops.

Lap 1:
Oliver Hangschlitt overtakes Andreas Oder.
Oliver Hangschlitt overtakes Mike Ziehbauer.
Oliver Hangschlitt is in position 3 at the end of the lap.
Peter Schleifer overtakes Andreas Oder.
Peter Schleifer overtakes Mike Ziehbauer.
Peter Schleifer is in position 2 at the end of the lap.
Eberhard Mulack overtakes Andreas Oder.
Eberhard Mulack overtakes Mike Ziehbauer.
Eberhard Mulack is in position 1 at the end of the lap.
Mike Ziehbauer loses the lead.
The new race leader is Eberhard Mulack.

Lap 2:
Mike Ziehbauer overtakes Oliver Hangschlitt.
Mike Ziehbauer is in position 5 at the end of the lap.
Ferdinand Schulze overtakes Mike Ziehbauer.
Ferdinand Schulze overtakes Oliver Hangschlitt.
Ferdinand Schulze is in position 4 at the end of the lap.
Andreas Oder overtakes Mike Ziehbauer.
Andreas Oder overtakes Oliver Hangschlitt.
Andreas Oder is in position 3 at the end of the lap.
Oliver Hangschlitt retires the Ferrari.

Lap 3:
Mike Ziehbauer retires the Lotus.

Lap 7:
Andreas Oder overtakes Peter Schleifer.
Andreas Oder is in position 2 at the end of the lap.

Lap 8:
Peter Schleifer overtakes Andreas Oder.
Peter Schleifer is in position 2 at the end of the lap.

Lap 9:
Ferdinand Schulze overtakes Andreas Oder.
Ferdinand Schulze is in position 3 at the end of the lap.

Lap 10:
Andreas Oder retires the Eagle.

Lap 41:
Ferdinand Schulze overtakes Peter Schleifer.
Ferdinand Schulze is in position 2 at the end of the lap.
Peter Schleifer retires the Eagle.

Lap 45:
What would become the fastest lap of the race is set by Eberhard Mulack.
The time is an impressive 1m16.341s.

End of the race:
Eberhard Mulack wins the race
Finishing order and last lap info is unofficial
(Replay might have been saved before end of race)

Generated with GPL Replay Analyser

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Ferdi Offline

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04.02.2006 12:41
#3 RE: Test Salzburg76 Long Antworten


RACE - MECHANICAL PROBLEMS REPORT

Starting scan of replay file(this might take a while)...

Searching for race data...

Replay file starts 01.524s into the practice session.

Race data found - beginning detection.


Leader of the race starts lap 1

1m18.360s
Mike Ziehbauer - spotters reporting:
minor problems with left front suspension.

Leader of the race starts lap 2

2m54.360s
Mike Ziehbauer - spotters reporting:
severe problems with left front tire.
severe problems with left front suspension.
Oliver Hangschlitt - spotters reporting:
the car has an engine problem.

Leader of the race starts lap 3

Leader of the race starts lap 4

Leader of the race starts lap 5

Leader of the race starts lap 6

Leader of the race starts lap 7

9m18.360s
Peter Schleifer - spotters reporting:
medium problems with left front suspension.

Leader of the race starts lap 8

10m30.360s
Andreas Oder - spotters reporting:
minor problems with left rear tire.
severe problems with left rear suspension.

11m10.360s
Andreas Oder - spotters reporting:
medium problems with left front tire.
medium problems with left rear tire.
severe problems with left front suspension.
the car has an engine problem.

Leader of the race starts lap 9

Leader of the race starts lap 10

13m34.360s
Andreas Oder - spotters reporting:
the engine has exploded.

Leader of the race starts lap 11

Leader of the race starts lap 12

Leader of the race starts lap 13

Leader of the race starts lap 14

Leader of the race starts lap 15

Leader of the race starts lap 16

Leader of the race starts lap 17

Leader of the race starts lap 18

Leader of the race starts lap 19

Leader of the race starts lap 20

Leader of the race starts lap 21

Leader of the race starts lap 22

Leader of the race starts lap 23

Leader of the race starts lap 24

Leader of the race starts lap 25

Leader of the race starts lap 26

Leader of the race starts lap 27

Leader of the race starts lap 28

Leader of the race starts lap 29

Leader of the race starts lap 30

Leader of the race starts lap 31

Leader of the race starts lap 32

Leader of the race starts lap 33

Leader of the race starts lap 34

Leader of the race starts lap 35

Leader of the race starts lap 36

Leader of the race starts lap 37

Leader of the race starts lap 38

Leader of the race starts lap 39

Leader of the race starts lap 40

Leader of the race starts lap 41

Leader of the race starts lap 42

54m14.360s
Peter Schleifer - spotters reporting:
medium problems with left front tire.
medium problems with right front tire.
severe problems with left rear tire.
medium problems with right rear tire.
severe problems with left front suspension.
severe problems with right front suspension.
severe problems with left rear suspension.
medium problems with right rear suspension.
the car has an engine problem.

54m22.360s
Peter Schleifer - spotters reporting:
severe problems with right rear tire.
severe problems with right rear suspension.

Leader of the race starts lap 43

Leader of the race starts lap 44

Leader of the race starts lap 45

The winner of the race crosses the finish line.
(Assuming replay covers the end of the race)

End of replay file found - stopping detection.

Generated with GPL Replay Analyser

Gruß

pit Offline

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04.02.2006 13:20
#4 RE: Test Salzburg76 Long Antworten

In Antwort auf:
54m14.360s
Peter Schleifer - spotters reporting:
medium problems with left front tire.
medium problems with right front tire.
severe problems with left rear tire.
medium problems with right rear tire.
severe problems with left front suspension.
severe problems with right front suspension.
severe problems with left rear suspension.
medium problems with right rear suspension.
the car has an engine problem.
Uiuiui, da hat der Spotter aber viel zum spotten gehabt.
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Odi Offline

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04.02.2006 16:54
#5 RE: Test Salzburg76 Long Antworten

ich will ja mal nicht hoffen, dass das an meinem Set lag, dass bei dir jetzt alle 4 Reifen und das Fahrwerk rundum den Geist aufgegeben haben.....

Gruß
Odi
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04.02.2006 17:11
#6 RE: Test Salzburg76 Long Antworten


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Ferdi Offline

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04.02.2006 17:29
#7 RE: Test Salzburg76 Long Antworten

In Antwort auf:
Uiuiui, da hat der Spotter aber viel zum spotten gehabt.

Tscha, wer den Schaden hat, spottet jeder Beschreibung
Gruß

Mike Offline

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04.02.2006 18:26
#8 RE: Test Salzburg76 Long Antworten

Ganz genau Ferdi ! Der Lotus als Abschußrampe für Ferraris :

Hatte dann wieder ein Fahrzeug aus meiner Kindheit : ein Dreirad
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Gruß
Mike


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olli_h Offline

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04.02.2006 18:50
#9 RE: Test Salzburg76 Long Antworten

Na, da macht der Ferraripilot nächste Woche wohl besser einen großen Bogen um Dreiradfahrer. Einen netten Crash haben wir da gebaut. Nix für ungut, Mike.

Gruß
Olli H.

Mike Offline

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04.02.2006 19:32
#10 RE: Test Salzburg76 Long Antworten

@Olli : Hab mir das Replay ein paar Mal angeschaut ; aber wir haben uns eigentlich nicht berührt .
Wurdest eher von mir wie von einem Magneten angezogen . Seltsamer Unfall
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Mike


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04.02.2006 19:59
#11 RE: Test Salzburg76 Long Antworten

Habs mir mal angeschaut - keine richtige Berührung. So´n paar Zentimeter "Warpraum" sollte man lieber offen lassen

Schade, da war der Lokalmatador früh raus und mußte sich vor den tieffliegenden Tomaten in 8 nehmen

Nächste Woche geht´s bestimmt besser. Da kann ich froh sein, wenn ich überhaupt in Podiumsreichweite komme. Wird bestimmmt ein prima Rennen! Drücke vor allem Odi die Daumen daß er seinen Speed in eine entsprechende Platzierung umsetzt und natürlich auch Mike für eine saubere Zielankunft weit vorne!
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Ferdi Offline

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04.02.2006 20:10
#12 RE: Test Salzburg76 Long Antworten

Ich glaube, ich werde noch Honda und Cooper testen, im BRM kann da nur das höchste Ziel sein, nicht überrundet zu werden, jedenfalls mit mir am Steuer...
Gruß

olli_h Offline

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04.02.2006 20:28
#13 RE: Test Salzburg76 Long Antworten
Habs mir mal angeschaut - keine richtige Berührung. So´n paar Zentimeter "Warpraum" sollte man lieber offen lassen

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04.02.2006 20:45
#14 RE: Test Salzburg76 Long Antworten

In Antwort auf:
im BRM kann da nur das höchste Ziel sein, nicht überrundet zu werden,

mir gehts mindestens genauso, mein Ziel wäre - falls ich ankommen sollte - nicht drei mal überrundet zu werden. Ne, so weit geht meine Liebe zum BRM nicht, dass ich mir so ein Rennen wie in Sebring noch einmal antue. Da steig ich lieber in den Lotus und spreng den Motor mit wehenden Fahnen drei Runden vor Schluss in die Luft.
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04.02.2006 20:51
#15 RE: Test Salzburg76 Long Antworten

Hui, da seid ihr aber flott gefahren

Ich weis noch nicht ob BRM oder Cooper, mal guggn


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